Sep 23, 2016

Photos & Videos of my C2S

For sale my 1998 Carrera S  also known to P-Car people as the 993 C2S

Resolution is poor, using a cheapo camera,  Audio is good

Currently listed on Bring a Trailer Auctions.  (click here)

The 993 is the car of a lifetime to me,  glad I got to experience one before they hit the stratosphere. As a car guy of limited means, I will look back on these years with a teary fondness.   

It's a driver, not a collector car.  It just may be the nicest driver's car you'll ever see, at any mileage.  

Rarity?  My guess; there can't be more than 100 6sp Glacier white 993s in America. Excellence magazine puts 1998 C2S US production at 993 units (yes 993).  How many were manual transmission or Glacier white is unknown. Keep in mind Silver and Black were hot in the 90's.   But you can do your own estimate.  Fortunately given the rarity, you can actually drive w/out concern of depreciation.

I'm not a fan of selling it, and am not a salesperson either.  As you can imagine, i've had some strange conversations with odd people with this on the market.  I think I ran off a few good folks out of paranoia.  I think in the future i should lease cars,  then I'll never need to sell them or trade them in. I will catalog the good and the bad of selling this car once this process is complete.  I'm pretty feisty, so won't pull any punches  when I write about it.

Notice the lamps and fogs are not yellowed.  Commonly seen in less loved 993s
Also clear indicator lights. (amber ones included)  Rennsport front plate mount,

Craiglist:  I went that route, but quickly found I was spending a lot of time talking to time wasters and dealers (who are also time wasters).  Met a couple interesting guys, but mostly jackassess.  So Craiglist is over for me. A more patient man could stand it, but I could not.  Read my blog from 2011 here

eBay?  I expected nothing to come from eBay, but it costs nothing to try it, and gave me more content for my blog.  Bidding was actually good but not good enough.  This was expected,  you just cannot appreciate a car from a computer easily.  I did find it validating that the bidding reached that high, sight unseen.  What eBay did was generate interest, so now I've got to spend the next couple weeks meeting some of these interested people in person, and even pick two of them up at the airport, perhaps.   I don't mind this part, as most are cool car guys, but logistically I cannot meet up with these people any time soon.   I love waiting,  arrggghhh!  (BaT is next, since I've received no deposits from all these conversations)

Trades:  I've turned down full and partial trades that equated to my needs. Some were pretty compelling.   While I've declined these offers, I have enjoyed the photos sent to me.   

It actually sold once too, I pulled all my adds and then the buyer couldn't get financed.  He didn't know Porsches sell for way over KBB, so loans didn't work out for him like the bank promised. Great guy, most true Porsche people are actually.

What next if it sells?  I'll use the empty garage to my advantage,  Repainting and adding flooring etc. I've got two classic BMW motorcycles that need attention too.  Then when the bikes are complete, I'll start thinking seriously about another car.

What car next? I won't ever be getting a car equal to this one.  There are faster cars, but nothing is the "whole package" like a 993.  Seats the kids, visceral, emotional and historical significance. Damn I'm going to miss this car!  When I'm ready to buy one again, they'll be out of my price range I fear.

Idea's I have are much less expensive, but should feed my car guy needs somewhat.  I miss projects and as this car's value increased I felt hinderance to changing things on it.

  • 1. Alfa Spider QF from late '80s
  • 2. Alfa 1750 GTV or 2000 GTV 
  • 3. E46 M3 Convertible  (yes, common but great family sportscar)
  • 4. Miata MX5 Mazdaspeed edition  (these had turbochargers)
  • 5. Lotus Elise SC  (probably too prices, but I like em)
Leaning heavily toward numbers 2 and 3 above.

I'm in the first 30 seconds of above video. 

I'm at the 24 minute mark.

No issues in the trademark Porsche problem areas: 
1. no rust, no bubbles
2. no bad door hinges
3. no bad door locks
4. no service engine light
5. no smoke at startup 
6. no cracked door pockets

Documentation is complete as indicated by a huge binder of receipts:
Note that although multiple owners are found in the carfax reports, I'm only the  3rd that's actually driven the car over 2,500miles.
  • 1997 July this 1998 Carrera S  bought in October by  Dina M Austin TX
  • 1998 Nov 15,000mi Service Robert Beasley Porsche/Saab
  • 2000 July 30,000mi Service Robert Beasley Porsche/Saab
  • 2002 March 45,000mi Service Robert Beasley Porsche/Saab
  •  2004 sold to Samuel J of Gayson GA
  • 2005 60,000mi service: Plugs,  pads rotors  by Jack Lewis LTD
  •  2007 New Clutch at 69,000mi
  • 2007 Sold to Bruce M  of Wayazata, MN  (drove less than 2500 miles)
  •  2010 Sold to  Kelly S of Seattle (drove 1K miles,)  
  • paint polish: cut/buff etc.
  • venture shield installed (rockguard stuff)
  •  photos of his detailing of the car (very high resolution)  are here.
  • 4 wheel alignment.
  • 70K mi  belts, rotor, plugs, wires, pollen filters, valve covers too and seals.  This was also done at 60,000mi service  in 2005
  • 2011 Kelly sells to me  (making me 3rd owner to drive over 3K miles)
  • ·         2 wheels were straightened and refinished
  • ·         Brake fluid fush,  Tranny flush  (while wheels were off the car)
  • ·         installed front protection bar, Carnewal
  • ·         replaced broken air wall (air curtain beneath spoiler)
  • ·         replaced motor drive for spoiler (these get noisy when old)
  • ·         installed aluminum Porsche OEM shifter (Thanks Rudy!),
  • ·         P-Car Mount, installed for phone
  • ·         Pad-Keeper installed, a must have accessory
  • ·         tiny plastic bits and switches to clean up cracked stuff etc.
  • ·         fog lights and headlights refurbished
  • ·         installed euro indicators. 
  • Headlight washer nozzles replaced
  • A/C controls replaced
  • ·         calipers painted Guards red and "S" painted to match
  • ·         Porsche console cup holder (instead of cassette storage device)
  • ·         Fender blemish and door strap repair.  (Apex Premier Porsche restorer, Denver)

 Condition and appearance of the Glacier white never ceases to amaze people, including me.  It's been pictured in Spiel twice and HighGear magazine once.  Porsche USA has Tweeted photos of the car as well.  Lastly, Griots Garage has asked for some photos taken at their facility.  I have not seen those pictures. 
I was a “founding father” of 993 Fest, which means I didn't do shit but did show up to the first two events Nathan graciously hosted.    So the cars been seen at that event in 2012 and 2013.  So if you don't recall meeting me (I'm not too memorable) you may recall the car.  Or maybe you know someone who attended.

SAIC  (secondary air inlet something or others)  This car has had the dreaded SAIC light turn on twice, early in my  5yrs of ownership,  I had the code cleared w/an OBD scan tool.  I then drove the car better, keeping the RPMs up, and the service engine light never returned.  I would be remiss if I didn’t ask if the concern is the dash light or that you aren’t recirculating air for a few secs upon startup?  You don’t rebuild here, though it is proposed by mechanics that serve bottled water.  You wait till you are rebuilding for other reasons.  Typically the reason to rebuild is valve guides, but even then I’ve seen Carreras with over 200,000 miles.  Use good oil w/lot so zinc and these motor are TOUGH. They don’t suffer cataclysmic failures, they smoke a little.  Meanwhile there are many legitimate ways to resolve this issue till you have your motor out.  There are a couple electronic solutions,   roto- rooter solutions and even a solvent solution.  So, when  SAIC alerts eventually occur, don’t buy into rebuilding just yet.   I’m not going speak further on this, there is plenty of talk on Rennlist and Pelican on the subject already.

Owners:  If you study the Carfax, it can be confusing. But study a little closer, you'll see only 2 owners other than me actually drove the car at all.  Carfax, is a great asset for buyers, but also can paint a unflattering picture if read without a critical eye. 

Loans?   Yes you can get a loan on a collectible car.  Try Pentagon Federal Credit union,  they will loan perhaps 50% of this cars market value,  so you'll need a bunch of cash too.  they helped me buy it.  They are open 24/7 which is amazing for a bank.   

Does it burn oil?   Not a drop….. Of course it burns oil, but not a notable amount.  I don’t track this kind of stuff like some maniacs do.  I’m aware if you burn over a quart/1000 miles you should be alarmed, and I’m not alarmed.

Have I tracked or raced the car?  I have not, nor did Kelly.  But It’s done over 150mph more than once, shame on me.  I've had my fill of track days, and would track a cheaper car but not this one.  I have done a DE day, to familiarize myself, but this was low speed stuff for 4 hours.

Storage,  I’ve had it under a spandex cover in a heated garage since I bought it.   Not an operating room, just a regular garage with a couple space heaters.  I now use a bunch of packing blankets too, since the kid wanders about with sharp objects.

Accidents?  Hell no, It has a clear Carfax.  I did bump a fender in the garage, so that fender was repaired with paintless dent repair.  Then it ended up requiring paint (no filler). Apex Autobody in Denver did the work.  They are a premier shop featured on the cover of Excellence recently.

Photo credit,  Rennlister John Nasser

The last Cars and Coffee at the Boulder/Lafayette location.  Sad they are moving this event.
Hagerty valuation tool used 9/27/2016   link here
This car rates as Excellent without a doubt.  However it has been driven.
So let's just call it  Good, since it's seen a massive 4,700mi/yr since 1998.

Photos taken  9/23/2016 (they are large, so click on them)

Turbo twist wheels are hollow in the 993 C2S, not in the C4S.  Lighter, cooler, expensive.
You should assume they are perfect and w/out curb rash.  You'd be assuming correctly.
Some wear here. click for recovering info
not yellowed
not yellowed either
Note: the airwall is not pictured, but it is not torn like on many Carreras
Note:   Door pockets aren't crushed or sagging.  (this is common)
Magazines it's pictured in.  

Don't EVER buy a car w/o a Factory radio.
These aren't wired like a Sony, so a lot of cutting happens.

 Shifters cost over $500 so check for wear.

Taken over past 5 years

Photos  6 yrs ago.

Clear signal markers was an easy and gratifying project.   
ROW Suspension level, I don't know what these are, but it handles like new
and rides the same height as the European cars.  No receipts for suspension work can be found.
This is how a repaired door strap should look like on a 911..
If you aren't checking these you don't know 911 weaknesses.
Go study.

This fender was resprayed after a stupid  garage mishap.  Looked bad, but was easily fixed.
That paintless dent repair is amazing.  but we still needed a little paint to make it 100%.
Work done by Apex auto in Denver.  A premier Porsche resto shop featured in Excellence  
My experience with this car has been an open book,  I live on Facebook so whatever I’ve done or experienced can be found on the 993Rennlisters  Facebook page or here on this blog.

Deep cleaning, I do this after every drive.  Can't be too clean..

Porsche Padkeeper and Mobil 1 oil sticker are now installed but not pictured. 

Brakes done in the garage. Easy project.  But since it was done by me,
it won't be on the Carfax.  Damn!

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